Tuesday, October 21, 2008

Edmonton Burning


There is a huge oil spill going on in Edmonton,
and it makes the Exxon Valdez look like a bitch.

To re-hash the whole story, we go back to the weekend, when [Covered in Oil's] Dave Berry wrote his farewell to blogging after the Oilers jobbed him because they felt he was abusing his press pass. [Puck Daddy] has a solid recap.

To personalize the situation, it would be like Seth at [Empty Netters] getting a press pass for the Post-Gazette, and then doing a live blog for us here at this blog.

You can't do it, but it is not the end of the world,
because to our understanding, it has happened in some places before.

[EMac] at FanHouse has a solid recap of this, as well.
He has been instrumental in Washington's acceptance of bloggers.

This story was just about done.
But Monday afternoon, things picked up again.

As we linked in Gameday, [Oilers Nation's] Robin Something wrote a scathing rebuttal to [Covered in Oil], highlighted by this ball-licking paragraph:

"If you want to start a website and write whatever you want without signing your name to it, have at it. If you want to see how many times you can drop the f-bomb in a single paragraph, do it until you’re blue in the face. If your idea of blogging about the Oilers is to write about which players you’d most like to see naked, knock yourself out."

"Just don’t expect JJ Hebert to issue you a pass and save you a chair alongside Terry Jones or Dan Barnes in the rink. And don’t shout indignantly about being discriminated against when he doesn’t."

No word if they had a towel giveaway in Edmonton to dry Kevin Lowe's balls.

So after this joke got done with his rant, we get the best of all.

[Battle Of Alberta's] Andy Grabia turned everyone to this unbelievable article written by [David Staples] from the Edmonton Journal.

Staples interviews some dude named Jason Gregor, who is a drive-time radio personality.
And he moonlights as a part-time Mr. Clean lookalike.

Here is an excerpt:

"There is no accountability on blogs and that is the problem. I know when you are 18-25 it seems funny to jot down the F-bomb every second sentance, or insult players for anything from their looks to their family. But that isn't reporting in my mind."

"My beef with bloggers is that anyone can be one. Most are nameless, faceless people who write their opinions, but unfortunately there are too many false facts in blogs. I understand the next generation gets most of their information from the Internet, but unfortunately lots of it is horribly written or inaccurate. Kids read this stuff and they believe it. I don't think bloggers truly understand the strength of their message, and also the damage it can do.

We photoshop men making out with each other.
We aren't exactly a good reflection on bloggers.

But the parts of this blog that aren't obviously satirical are researched to the best of our abilities.
When we decide to spellcheck, the resulting grammar gives Charles Dickens an erection.
We're obviously biased towards the Pens, just like professional journalists pretend not to be biased to a team they've covered for 20+ years.

It is worth getting this story out to all the other bloggers we know,
because this moron isn't the only one who feels like this.

This may be up in Canada now, but a storm is brewing.
Traditional print media, especially in the sports world, is dying.
In the get-info-now world we live in, having an internet publication is vital.
It's got to suck when a story "breaks" at 12:00 at night, and newspapers have to wait 24 hours to print it.

And then it's really got to hurt when fans get the hot story by turning to two virgins on the internet who compensate for their shortcomings by calling people homos.

Anyways, it should be interesting to see where this leads.

The Oilers will be coming to Pittsburgh before we know it.
Hopefully we can prank Gregor's radio show by then.

Go Pens.


diabeticsRcooler said...

Let's put it this way...

Who would you rather trust in getting information on the NHL

James Mirtle or Linda Cohn
The Guys from the Pensblog/Faceoff factor or Bob Smizik

Long live the hockey bloggers

Bacon077 said...

this may sound too specific, but i prefer the play-by-play breakdown on tPb when compared to traditional AP game stories. but i guess photo shopping mike richards isn't kosher for the associated press...

wilsmith said...

Linda Cohn is probably pretty reliable.

She can play.

dying alive said...

I attended a seminar on this topic a few weeks ago for work (not specifically blogging, but traditional vs. electronic media). Newspapers and even radio stations are shitting themselves at the realization that baby boomers are going to start dying off in large numbers very soon. More and more people under 50 are getting their news online, and technology keeps advancing. It's really transparent and hilarious how afraid of bloggers the professional journalists have become. The fact is that if the NHL truly wants to attract new, young fans to the sport, columns in the newspaper isn't going to get it done. You'd think that the people in the Oilers organization would be smart enough to realize it. The Pens organization obviously gets it, as they occasionally toss out references to blogs (tPB specifically) during their broadcasts. Leonsis must get it too, though it doesn't make him any less of a turd.

Also, blogs tend to attract people who want their recaps/news from someone with a sense of humor, as opposed to reading the journalistic stylings of someone with a stick up his ass like Smizik.

brett said...

Ultimately, the internet will be privatized and rules be enforced.

This will mean that nobody will have consent to use team names, logos, or references to the game without written consent.

But that will be the least of our problems, as the internet will be pay-per-play, like HBO on the television.

fleuryous said...

Raybin said...



I'm rather partial to it as well.

He is dynamite. And will continue to be.

TNTKennedy. haha


fleuryous said...

I actually have no idea why that "Cor" is there.


debrisslide said...

As someone who grew up with the Internet (i.e. Internet access since age 7). . .I say that if we could combine the freedom of the Internet with the tangibility of paper media, I'd be really happy.

btumpak said...

linda cohn... would you? yeah i would

M. Vanderlasser said...

Speaking of Peso...

"PESONEN PLAYING WELL: Forward Janne Pesonen has got off to a good start to his North American career, posting six points (1+5) in his first four games with the Penguins. Pesonen recorded his first goal and first multi-point game (1+2) on October 17 against the Bridgeport Sound Tigers."

Na na na na na na na na na...

The Goon Blogger said...

Blogger Liberty or Death!

I don't see this guy's point. So some kid believe that Briere actually is a walking tampon because of the PensBlog, what's your point? Does it at all, effect what Briere does? No. Shut the fuck up print journalists, you're just getting your panties in a bunch because fans would rather read a Blogger who is just a knowledgeable and funnier than your douche baggery.

I'd take tPB over Rossi and Molinari anyday of the week.

The Goon Blogger said...

The only real hockey journalist worth his salt is Bucci. Which is really surprising because he works for ESPN, which is garbage when it comes to hockey.

IceCold... said...

aside from print media not having the humor or wit of a lot bloggers. or being as self-impressed. or having a political agenda. i would simply rather read what someone without ulterior motives has to say. i mean what does tPB staff really have to gain or lose by running a great or crappy blog? nothing. so you get an honesty you can't get with someone with a contract. and the photoshops aren't bad either :)

long live tPB!


Victor Raison said...

I wish I could see the face of my old Intro to Journalism instructor as he watches his beloved traditional journalism die a slow, painful death. It's a good thing though, journalism's needed the equivalent of a natural forest fire to clean out the trash for a long time now.

matthew said...

Hey if any of you guys want in a free Yahoo! fantasy hockey league, I have some spots to fill in this league still.
It'll be mostly Pens fans, with one or two weaselly Flyer fans possibly creeping in.
Draft is this Sunday, with the league starting Oct. 27. If you want in, go to Yahoo fantasy games > Join a custom league.

League ID: 92623
Password: madden

Pensblog Staff said...

Brett, if the internet becomes privatized like you are speculating, I would sincerely hope that we would be given written consent to continue on with what we do around here.

That would be a total kick in the balls.
If they would give us permission under the terms that we would have to take the edge off of some of the stuff we do, there would be intense negotiations.


TheNWChica said...

Being old enough to have seen her when she was here in Seattle, Linda Cohn does a bang up job with football and baseball. :)I would not trust with hockey however.

If you had to pick between her and me for hockey, I'm your girl.

Annie said...

Regressing back to the last post...

Paychex94 said,

I was at the game with my brother and a friend and we basically got jumped on the way out of the Garden.

Was this in North Station? Because when we were going through there was quite a scuffle going on, but we didn't stop to see what it was about. I wondered if it was angry Bruins fans jumping a Pens fan or something.

Going back to the present topic, who cares if some kid believes a false rumor he read on a blog? Rumors are eventually proven to be true or false anyway, and how does a fan's belief in a false rumor ultimately change what a player or team does?

Dying Alive's above comment was spot-on. This bullshit is just proving that professional journalists are afraid of bloggers. If a regular joe, amateur writer is more popular and respected than a professional journalist, where does that leave the journalist? It's like all those years of college and studying suddenly don't count.

I'd much rather get my hockey news from blogs like this and Empty Netters, just like I get my political news from The Daily Show. News is much better with humor.

Long live tPB!

Hand of Godard said...

So wait, that's not really Kevin Lowe in bed with another man?

But that isn't reporting in my mind.
I don't think bloggers consider themselves reporters. I think they consider themselves bloggers.

but unfortunately there are too many false facts in blogs
I don't see how kicking someone out of the press box fixes this problem. This isn't to say there aren't false facts in print journalism either. Anyone remember the article in the Toronto Sun that basically said that the whole team (including Mario) hated Michel Therrien? I remember that article... there were no quotes. Then Therrien signed an extension.

@ The Goon Blogger
Bucci is the man. He's the only columnist I read at ESPN anymore.

J.S. said...

I know I'm drifting a bit off topic on this, but I thought I read somewhere that Cohn either used to play hockey on her downtime, or maybe even still does. Either way, and not that I'm that big of a fan of hers, but I'd trust her on a segment vs. half of those walking, breathing turds that are employed by ESPN. Bucci is a given for anybody with hockey cred on that channel, but I'd even include Steve "If it's a quad-OT NHL game, I'm there" Levy. Yes, I did leave tpb's most famous Corona drinker EJ Hradek off the list.

One for Flyerhater: Wanna meet Alyssa Milano? Here's your chance

And finally, the Red Wings cut ties with forward Darren McCarty on Monday and has cleared waivers. I bet nobody in Detroit is surprised.

Hand of Godard said...

Speaking of Bucci... This week's article is awesome. Especially after reading the shit that came out of Smizik.

Jesse Marshall said...

I can't speak for the creators of tPB, but I have a feeling the site was started because they were tired of the stale writing that we had to deal with in the hockey world since Dejan left. You guys provide hockey talk like no one else.

I started FF with Matt because no one bothered to research or talk about prospects, the draft, or anything else like that in Pittsburgh. Life in the Penguins organization goes beyond WB/S.

I think most people would agree the results have been good for both parties, and that most people get their info from one source or another.

The P-Burgh hockey internet community works together and is more respected than half of the pro's sitting in the box.

The Goon Blogger said...

Bucci Article is so solid it can cut diamonds.


Hand of Godard said...

It's like a rebuttal.

BlacknGold66 said...

Having worked as a photojournalist I can tell you straight forward that print media killed itself within the past 20 years.

Now "they" are just using bloggers as an out to make "themselves" look like the professional ones.

It's ridiculous. I worked for a newspaper that turned down every unbiased story I ever wrote, re-wrote the same story to put on their twist, and was nearly fired for calling them out on it.

Newspapers are a company, just like any other that needs money. So in order to try and make MORE money, ethics has flown out the fucking window in order to produce a product that will sell better.

Good, honest journalism is already hard to find. Now they're making it seem like they are still producing an ethical product while bloggers are smearing the world with their opinions.

Give me a fucking break.

If Woodward and Burnstein broke the Watergate story on a blog (had they existed at the time) and not in the Washington Post these guys would have bitched about them rather than the paper-shredding going on at the hotel.

They have their priorities all sorts of screwed up.

You want "kids" to stop using the internet/blogs to get their information. Educate them first. Produce a more up-to-date product second.


crmzak said...

Print is dead.

On our way out of the North Station, some d-bag ran up to us (me, hubby, two young kids) and screamed YOU SUCK! in my face. (Not my husband's mind you, but mine of course.) He kept running as he yelled it and disappeared into the crowds that I didn't get any sort of a look at him. What a LOSAH.

Other than that, we didn't get too much crap from B's fans. In fact, the Bruins fans near us were talking about how much they (Bruins fans) sucked, i.e. not being into the game, not standing up during OT/SO, etc.

debrisslide said...

More honest sports journalism/blogging thoughts, just because this subject does interest me:
Being a sports journalist in general is such an opinions game. It's just being a fan of the sport, except with a press pass, which somehow gives you the authority to make outlandish claims about teams, their players, and the likelihood of their success. And get paid for it. Aside from reporting stats and who won, everything is guesswork and ranting.

Guessing and ranting = made infinitely better with the existence of blogs. Sports blogs are the shit. They can do everything that the journalists can do, except they're not getting paid and they don't get to sit in the press box. Therefore, I would conclude that the average sports blogger has his or her heart invested in the sport a lot more than the average paid, newspaper sports journalist. Also, since writers of sports blogs are always digging for information without the authority to flash a press pass or ask for an interview, they can freely acknowledge that the information they are presenting is speculative, and therefore present a wider variety of thoughts and opinions on the issue at hand. Some people abuse the power to speculate--they make up bullshit and spread rumors. But real sports journalists do that, too. They just shouldn't have to, but they do anyway, because the whole process is corrupted. The process of gathering information for a blog adopts the whole "underdog" mentality, that if you can't get the information it's because you're just some average dude. But once you DO get that information, I feel like bloggers are more likely to represent it fairly and without bias or ulterior motive than the professional sports journalist might. That's such a taboo thing to say still, especially in the world of academia--that you would trust a blogger or Wikipedia before you'd trust a newspaper. But there are many occasions where I would.

According to Wikipedia once, Brooks Orpik killed a guy with a trident. Enough said.

BRB said...

If congress passes the "Fairness Doctrine" free speech as we have known it will cease to exist. It is targeted at talk radio because airwaves are claimed to be public domain. The law will require talk shows to allow an equal amount of air time for an opposing rebuttal. I believe they will then carry that over to the internet (including blogs) since technically it is also public.

So...tPB will have to allow Danny Briere the opportunity to post, on their site, a photo shopped picture of Briere's head on a man’s body.

BlacknGold66 said...

Journalism vs. Blogging...blog:

Excerpt about the "War of the Worlds" radio broadcast from almost exactly 70 years ago:

Later studies suggested this "panic" was less widespread than newspapers suggested. During this period, many newspapers were concerned that radio, a new medium, would make them defunct. In addition, this was a time of yellow journalism, where newspapers were not held to the same standards as today. As a result, journalists took this opportunity to demonstrate the dangers of broadcast by embellishing the story, and the panic that ensued, greatly.


Unemployedandbored said...

"There is no accountability on blogs and that is the problem. I know when you are 18-25 it seems funny to jot down the F-bomb every second sentance..."

Well, first off, it is pretty funny. Although the term "F-bomb" angers me for some reason. We crazy young people tend to do things differently than the established way. Remember those crazy kids fifty years ago? They had the audacity to put themselves into their journalistic works and even use dialog like a fictional piece. It was kind of like at the end of "It's Wonderful Life," only instead of angels getting their wings when a bell rang, an editor would have a mild stroke every time the word "I" was used. Granted, most bloggers are no Tom Wolfe, but still, Gregor, this is kind of how society works: the younger generation finds a new way of doing things because the old ways are broke.

"But that isn't reporting in my mind."

What is reporting to you? Sports journalism isn't really reporting in my mind, period. Sure, it's a job and it has to be tough meeting deadlines and it certainly takes some ability (two hands, or at the very least a tongue, to type with), but who are the people at the AP who get to watch games and write down what happens? Reporting to me (and my opinion doesn't matter any more than Gregor's) is going out and finding information that is otherwise difficult to procure and presenting said information in a concise and easily digestible fashion. Reporting, to me, isn't sitting in a room, in front of a computer looking off of a stats sheet, your hardest decision coming when you have to decide if the crowd was in a frenzy or merely excited.

"My beef with bloggers is that anyone can be one. Most are nameless, faceless people who write their opinions, but unfortunately there are too many false facts in blogs...yadda yadda yadda...I don't think bloggers truly understand the strength of their message, and also the damage it can do."

I really think this is being a little unfair to blogs. I realize this guy's in Canada, but I would have to assume a lot of the political races up there are like the ones down here. Every political ad is generally one lie topped with exaggerations. "Obama worked with terrorists." "McCain will steal your babies." Blah blah blah. How is it fair to take shots at blogs when a lot of newspapers get things wrong (see: Stephen Glass). Some bloggers are incredibly stupid, but these are generally the people that are trying to convey some deep political or social message. I think most people view those bloggers the same way they view the homeless man who tries to pass them a pamphlet about "insert typical homeless rant here." The people who pay attention to the "dangerous" bloggers - and these are the people that Gregor seems to be worried about - probably already believed in what they're reading or were going to believe it at some point anyway.

Sports blogs (side note: I find it amusing that "blog" isn't a recognized word on Google Blogger) are fun. They're the only type of blogs I visit because it's like going to the bar and talking about sports with my friends, only I don't have to talk and I can have porn up on the next tab over and the bartender isn't calling the cops. It comes down to the individual to realize what's true and false - it's supposed to make you smarter, you know, the whole, "well, I should try to see if that's true for myself." Ah, but that would be in a perfect world.


I went out for a cigarette and came back with a lot more posts up, sorry if I repeated things from previous posts.

RedWings said...

@ J.S.

J.S. said...And finally, the Red Wings cut ties with forward Darren McCarty on Monday and has cleared waivers. I bet nobody in Detroit is surprised.

This was expected. When McCarty signed a two-way contract last month, it was understood that he and Aaron Downey (the only RW muscle) would be sent to Grand Rapids (the AHL affiliate). With the addition of some guy named Hossa, the Wings were too deep at forward and couldn't keep 'em all. So they opted for skills instead of brawn, which sends D-Mac and Downey to GR (which is fine by me because I'm a season ticket holder in GR).

Basically this happened now instead of at the end of training camp because Mac tweaked a groin in camp and you can't send someone down if they are injured. So they had to wait for him to recover before they could waive him and send him down. This also needed to be done now since the Wings needed cap space because Zetterberg has been hurt and Lilja (defensemen) is now out having an appendectomy. So they needed cap space to fill their spots (although Z is expected back tomorrow).

Anyway, sorry to get long winded J.S., just wanted to let you know they aren't kicking him to the curb just yet. If and when the muscle is needed, they'll try calling him back up.

mwhit92 said...

I could start a blog in literally 10 minutes, but that doesn't entitle me to a press pass. But I do agree that some blogs are as deserving of a pass as newspapers and radio stations, and ignoring the internet as a viable source of information is asinine.

I think a good solution for the time being would be to allot one or two passes per game for bloggers, but have them pass some sort of review process ahead of time to ensure that the blog has decent readership, quality of posts, and whatever other metrics are deemed important.

Paul said...

This may have already been pointed out, but...

Blogs exist because people who are in journalism are conservative (not in a political sense) in that they try their best to hold onto their position of power within the media. Some people, and I would say most of the people who read this blog are, are not content to deal with this, and can see through the bullshit. I don't want to read a 65 year old man's opinion on sports because I am 22. Increasingly, the journalists can't even related to the athletes they are covering. The oldest player on the Pens is closer to my age than Smizik's age. I would much rather read the opinion of someone who identifies with myself and the subject in question more closely, than someone who prefers to reminisce about how things were, or the golden age of suchandsuch sport, or whatever.

Blogs (at least, popular ones) are also a way for people other than the blogger to communicate and feel a sense of solidarity. Granted, there is some bullshit thrown in there because of it, but usually there is a sense of community one gets from being a member of 'cblog' that you just would never get from somebody. "Hey, you read the PP-G too!? BITCHIN'! Let's meet up at Quaker Steak sometime!" I don't think that has ever happened.

I also don't think the 'old guard' of print media give enough credit to media consumers. If someone has ever surfed the Internet and thought everything they saw was real, I've got some good farmland to sell them in Antarctica. In other words, people are used to judging the validity of arguments regardless of the source. As a result of people going outside of traditional 'news outlets' for their news about any subject, chances are they are going to be motivated to check facts if they think something is wrong.

Finally, I know someone else said this, but because I am smart enough to see that any article regardless of source has a bias, I prefer the out-in-the-open bias of a Pensblog to a veiled bias and sense of smugness that people like Smizik (I keep using him as an example, but anyone really) and Kornheiser and the like use. I actually think blogs are more honest to legitimate opinions, BECAUSE they make no claims to be unbiased.

Okay, I tend to get wordy but I hope I've made my points and I apologize if I've restated anything someone has already said.

daismog said...

It's not an either-or situation.

"Print Media" as we know it may soon be a thing of the past.

It would not surprise me if printed newspapers soon become a thing of the past. Does that mean that websites like The New York Times Online or even post-gaette.com will stop publishing daily content? Not bloody likely.

Will the daily news content be the only thing those sites have? It already isn't. Look at Empty Netters, "Traditional Print Media" companies are already no longer just traditional print.

So, where is the line? I think it comes down, in big part, to content presentation. Is your site a stack of posts, or headlines and articles? Would you publish an article from, say, the AP, or would you quote it? Does the website have quality standards and editing (even perhaps after-the-fact)?

diabeticsRcooler said...

@ The goon blogger

I couldn't agree more

Reading bucci's articles has been a staple of my weekly life from october to april

he's been around the game so long and genuinely loves the sport

also, the way he includes fan's perspectives in his mailbogs reminds me of Cblog... he understands that sincere hockey fans know more about the sport than aging douches with bad haircuts who have never been able to pick up a hockey stick without getting excited because of its phalic resemblance (cough cough Bob Smizik)

Predsboy18 said...

Anyone with half a brain knows you're not on Pensblog for the seriousness of the posts, but that's why I like it. It's a solid roundup of the games (whether I watch or not) and seeing Flyers players being insulted, let's face it, NEVER gets old!

People like these douchebags read one or two blogs, and think that's all there is. As anyone who reads blogs on a regular basis can tell, there are NUMEROUS blogs out there that are really good reads, and actually are better than the print media. It's the first truly public forum in sports, in that a story is posted, and the readers are allowed to put their opinions and reactions right there for everyone to see. Think most print guys would ever want their stories broken down?

I was listening to the radio today on the way home, and what was interesting is that on the station I had it on, (sports radio here in Nashville) he admitted that once he writes a story online and posts it, he never looks at what people think, only if they contact him DIRECTLY. Kinda made me think for a minute about if he doesn't want to hear what others think, or simply doesn't care unless he's told about it individually.

Like in the post, the print media is a dying breed, and most papers websites look more like glorified blogs now anyway. Teams like the Oilers are going to have to realize that if they do not allow those that are part of "new journalism" then the press box will be pretty empty before long. Thankfully the Caps realize this, and perhaps can be an example to other teams that bloggers are not to be feared, but rather to be accepted as part of the culture.

Help Me Rhonda said...

That Oiler's Nation writer is an idiot.

There is no reason there should be resistance to bloggers. I see no shortage of diversity in seriousness, writing styles, and interesting elements among hockey blogs, so bloggers can't all be lumped together as offensive, lying kids. That thinking is just dismissive and old-fashioned. I personally have more respect for tPB than for the NY Post, and the Post, which never edits its articles, is considered legitimate.

If someone gets a blogger pass and tells an organization which blog they write for, then it wouldn't be so anonymous. So I don't get the freak out over bloggers being nameless. Journalists can start a nameless blog and trash a team, too.

Lastly, it's 2008...

OMG the Lightening just won!!!! Are the Flyers going to get on this winning thing or will they stand their ground?

Tony said...
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Tony said...

** Hops on the soapbox **

Frankly, I see both sides of the argument.

In the Oilers' point of view, I agree in the aspect that you simply cannot expect a pro sports team to give credentials and/or press passes to people that drop the F-bomb with regularity in their posts on their blogs. That might seem pussy-ish (don't get me wrong, I did 20 years in the Navy, I've dropped more F-bombs than most of you combined), but that's just a fact. Whomever is fortunate to get those passes simply has to act with some professionalism. So in that respect, I see why the Oilers did what they did.

I mean, my buds here at tPB wouldn't get pissed off if they applied for a press pass (which I doubt they'd ever do), it's just wouldn't happen, ya know ??

However, the overall continued belittling of sports bloggers by MSM is getting pretty ridiculous. As Jesse Marshall intimated, I'd like to think that we as Penguins bloggers collaborate very well together, and each of us work pretty damn hard on our respective blogs for the Penguins. That goes for everyone, from the boys here at tPB, to Jesse and the boys at Faceoff Factor, to Snoop at the Bing Show, to FrankD at Pensburgh, to Brian at Hockeybuzz, to myself. But the notion that none of us can be articulate in formulating constructive articles about the Pens, simply because we don't work at any of the mainstream print media, is not only ridiculous, but is insulting.

Let's try it, shall we ?? "Jordan Staal needs to increase his offensive production". See, didn't need Bob Smizik to do that.

I just think the moral of the whole situation is that if you want to get credentialed as a legitimate team blogger by that team, I would think for starters that your blog should pass the test using the late great George Carlin's Seven Words you can't say on Television. And if it can't, you shouldn't expect to get it.

Just my .02

** Hops off soapbox **

The Confluence of the Three Rivers

ceby22 said...

This just in, most newspapers suck anyways.

"Oh oh nameless bloggers kill baby seals."

Newspapers kill tree's.

Lets call it even.

Final thought - Sports Illustrated = THE SUCK and ESPN Mag = THE SUCK.

Help Me Rhonda said...

Tony, I think two different issues are being confused here. That f-bomb stuff is not what happened in the recent Covered in Oil vs. Oilers Org. situation. That point was made in an effort to say bloggers have no class.

The CiO guy who stopped blogging had an actual press pass already. While working he decided to live blog, but the Org. didn't like that. He erased the blog post in front of their eyes and later let them know other people live blog freely, to illustrate that the rule was pulled from their butts. He also told them they were way too hostile.

Kraftster said...

@ Brett

What exactly do you mean by privatized? I'm very confused by your post, and, I'm not buying the gloom and doom. Newspapers are private and the Fair Use doctrine under Copyright law applies to these newspapers. I've never read anything to suggest that the internet will someday, somehow, be outside the realm of Copyright law. So, tPB, I really don't think you have to be worried.


A bunch of very good opinions already expressed on this issue. I'll try to keep from rehashing that stuff and go back to the whole Copyright/Fair Use issue because it seems like this whole blogs vs. professional media conflict might reach into that realm as well. Some prominent copyright guys have discussed the fact that, they think, the Fair Use doctrine was designed with a "professional publishing" world in mind. These guys think that the entire concept may need to be reevaluated with modern (internet) considerations in mind. Basically they suggest that these "amateur to amateur" internet communications don't fit with the world that the Fair Use doctrine envisioned.

To me, it seems tough to draw the line between professional media and blogs in many situations. Its also sort of unclear to me what assumptions were made when the Fair Use Doctrine was established that make the doctrine so unique to professional media. Perhaps the whole press pass/blogging issue could impact a well-established area of Copyright law as well.

Anyway, just another interesting branch to this whole issue.

Tony said...

@Rhonda - This is what I was basing it off of;

Edmonton Oilers media relations director J.J. Hebert says blogger Dave Berry of Covered in Oil was temporarily banned from the Oilers press box last week because of the "disrespectful and embarrassing" content of Berry's live blog commentary on the Oilers' home opener.

"It was disrespectful, it was embarrassing and we simply do not need it," Hebert says.
"What triggered it initially was the content," adds Allan Watt, vice-president of communications for the Oilers. "It was profane."

Help Me Rhonda said...

Tony, ahhh, my bad. Where you pulled the quote from isn't linked here. I was mostly going by the CiO guy's full account and he made it seem like it wasn't the content. My bad.


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