Thursday, June 12, 2008

Best In Show



After [last years disaster] in trying to cover the NHL awards show, the CBC and Versus will hook up again.
According to the Versus website, things start around 7:00pm.
Hopefully a truck catches on fire again this year, with Pierre McGuire stuck inside.

[Going Five Hole] had a bloggers vote.
Of course we forgot to vote.

But we are glad, because we refuse to be involved with anything the hack [Acid Queen] is involved in.

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Picture: Acid queen douses herself in feces to celebrate the big vote.


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[One of the sickest Photoshops back from the season]

Evgeni Malkin is up for the Hart trophy.
But you probably forgot about that, because that is the cool thing to do now.

A.O. is clearly going to win, and he deserves to, but hopefully it starts to wake some people up regarding Evgeni Malkin.

Over at [LGP], a full fledged war has erupted over the rumors of a Malkin trade.

All we can say is that, we will shutdown the blog if Malkin is traded for Dustin Brown and Anze Kopitar.


The fact that this was all started due to a Pierre McJoke rumor is a shame.

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:: PA State champs shirt being sold on NHL.com? Yea. [Kiss FM]



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[Eric P] contuines his solid youtube work.
Top 10 penguins shootout goals of the season.



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Most world champion bloggers would go into a hole after winning it all.
Not Bill from [Abel to Yzerman]


:: First he fights, and rightly so, some joke from the Detroit Free Press.
The columnist--think a gayer version of Ron Cook- wants the Wings to retire Hasek number.

:: And then he finds this:



WOW

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:: 1, 2, 3..vomit.
Jay Leno hosts the Red Wings.[Youtube]
[Thanks to Meg for the tip]

We were all set to just embed the youtube of Elroy and Obstrucstrim, but we saw this further down the page.
And this is truly how we felt.



This actually should have been the post tonight.

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Coachblog



:: We are later than your period on this.

But is there an over/ under on Ron Wilson breakdowns next year in Toronto?
[Pension Plan Puppets] has a semi-transcript of the presser.

:: Toronto fans are numb as is. But they can agree. Things are going to change big time.
[Battle of Ontario]

We think this is the best thing to happen to Toronto since SARS ended.





:: Marc Crawford is fired after someone found out he started the Malkin rumor.
[ Battle of California]



:: Some guy is going to be the coach of the Sharks. [Mike Chen]

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[ CHAD HERMAN SUCKS BLOG ]

The latest from the CMU's favorite janitor:


-June 9,2008-

"I've read this sentence at least a dozen times now, and it still catches on my brain the way proper English catches on Evgeni Malkin's tongue; you know that clarity and correctness are in there somewhere, but be damned if you can find them, much less find comfort in them"




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5-4

[Felon In The Mellon]

What an emotional game.
This game took a month off of everyone's life.

It is one of those losses that makes you want to do an assortment of illegal activities.

Going on a killing spree -- would make sense right now.
Drinking yourself into a coma -- do it.
Pile-driving your cat -- would just make things feel a little bit better.

All in all, there just isn't anything fun about what went down in the Lower Hill tonight.
But this is the life we lead.


C-BLOG CITY



Joshua =Stunned

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Go Pens

568 comments:

Steve In Denver said...

Assnards.

Annie said...

SECOND! Closest I've ever come to first!

@ debrisslide from last post

I went to a Bruins-Caps game this March, and sat in the nosebleeds - third to last row. I was rooting more for the Caps (mostly because I wanted to see Ovie do something spectacular - he didn't). I wasn't wearing any Caps paraphenalia, just was yelling for Ovie to do something. No one gave me any shit, but they were even more vocal yelling at the Bruins, so I couldn't really tell you for sure. I guess most of us Massholes are loud in general.

Parkingblog - I live about two and a half hours from Boston, so I find every time I go there it's easier to park somewhere out of the city and ride the T straight to the arena. I guess you just have to leave extra early. Tomorrow I'll ask what's the name of the station where I always park - I can't remember off the top of my head right now.

I can't wait for the schedule to come out. We definitely need to organize a Mass Cblog Meetup.

theNick said...

Notice Gary Roberts is no where to be found in that Florida Panthers video.

J.S. said...

just passing through, nothing to see here...

(goingbacktobedblog)

TheFandangler said...

Hasek is butt piss... He can get fandangled out of his goalie pads any day.

debrisslide said...

@ allison (from last post) and annie: that's comforting. I'm from PA and I'm going to college in Boston so I won't have a car. It'll be public transportation for me if I go to see the Pens up there, so no parking fees to worry about. I haven't heard anything ridiculous about Bruins fans--they probably are used to subduing the hockey insanity since Red Sox/Patriots insanity takes over pretty regularly. Glad to know they won't try to lynch me, for the most part. And I'll be safely back in Pens country around playoff time.

Allison said...

@debrisslide
You're lucky you'll be back home for playoff time, because let me tell you, it is not a pleasant experience to go to playoff games in enemy territory. (Think 7 year olds in front of you calling you an asshole every time his team scores, drunk men beating you with Rangers rally towels from behind, and missing Malkin's 'slewfoot' and Gonchar dropping his gloves because some 65+ woman started a fight with you in the bathroom and won’t let you leave until she gets in the last word about ‘that 20 year old classless disgrace your team has on the ice’.)

onesizedrummer said...

"fastest accelration on the team"

Recchi didn't have that EVER in his career.

--FritoWill

Stilly said...

That panthers video was gayer than a writhing pile of men. I can't believe what I just saw.

demondg1 said...

That Panthers video just changed my life. I think I've seen guys kissing each other that were less gay than that video.

And that 5-4 Devils game will forever be known as the Great Mousepad Incident. I've never been a part of a crowd that was that close to rioting in my life. That was the night that the crowd even turned on Val Porter. She was stunned and visibly upset about it.

Joshua said...

Fuck! I got owned.

Me = Joke.

Raybin said...

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the opinion of a guy who self applies the name "fandangler" and then uses said name as a verb/catchphrase probably shouldn't be taken seriously when discussing one of the Top 5 Goalies Who Ever Strapped On Skates

the fandangler = stunned

Jersey Bill said...

Well, it appears I'll be leaving my family behind and moving to California very soon. I could be nothing else but gay after watching the Panthers video. If you filled an Olympic sized swimming pool with gay and dove in head first, you would be less gay than after watching that video.

See you at L.A. City Hall, Charlie. Kisses.

Has anyone seen Sex and the City yet? Where's my Cosmo? I guess I'll just be a puck bunny now.

dying alive said...

Youtube is firewalled for me. Apparently I'm missing out on a whole bunch of gay.

Stilly said...

@raybin

Hahahahaha. Good call on thefandangler. That sounds like the name of an ambiguously gay arch villian in a comic book. Although I will say that he probably shouldn't be taken seriously at all. Ever.

Stilly said...

@dying alive

I assume you're at work? Wait until you get home and watch that Panthers video. It's epically homo-erotic.

Flyer Hater said...

Chris Farley had a faster first step than Mark Recchi

Joshua=On Something

M. Vanderlasser said...

@maxpower, there's a PPG dounut survey on the lower right hand corner of this page.

Tood "The Piano Man" Bertuzzi? Wow, indeed.

Annie, congratulations on your 2nd.

M. Vanderlasser said...

Ummm, that's "donut".

Stilly said...

I was waiting for Bertuzzi to get up from the piano, punch someone in the back of the head, and then piledrive them into the floor.

Fortunately Bertuzzi wasn't feeling like a complete tool that day.

Colin said...

Hasek is no doubt one of the top 5 keepers of all time. I mean he invented a style of play and has patented the save where he starts in a two pad stack and rolls on to his back. I have to pay him two bucks everytime I try that in adult league.

Dude was a beast. The one thing he was awful at though was stickhandling the puck. I always wanted the NHL to remove the trapezoid for games he played. It was always a riot when he went out to play the puck.

Stoosh said...

@ DemonDG1 -

I was a part of that crowd at that Devils game as well...one of the most memorable games I've ever seen in person, mostly for all the wrong reasons. I've seen the kids who umpire my 10-year old nephew's Little League games show more consistency than the officials did that night.

When the two-on-none goal was negated, it was awful. I remember seeing a bunch of players on the ice as the play came through just as both teams were changing. Chances are both teams were guilty of having too many men on the ice, but no call from the officials...none of the officials even raised his arm to signal a call was coming.

And then to have the goal disallowed like thirty seconds after the play took place when there was no indication that there ever was a penalty? I didn't blame the fans for reacting the way they did.

Even worse, three minutes later, they allowed Zajac's goal while Gionta pretty much had Fleury pinned on the ice and waiting for the "three count" from Earl Hebner.

When they allowed that goal, the place went absolutely batshit. I remember seeing this cascade of souvernir cups, programs and mousepads rain down on the ice kind of like the cloud of arrows in 300. I think I yelled things at the officials that I wouldn't yell at Osama Bin Laden.

Raybin said...

I have to pay him two bucks everytime I try that in adult league.

That, my friend, is a sick line. Cracked me right up!

Dan said...

i remember being at that devils game. i took my dad cause he was never at a hockey game before. after the 4th bullshit call, i flat out told him, there will be a riot if they call anything else. then it was raining down garbage on the ice like the chairs once rained down on the ring at the ecw arena.

dying alive said...

@ stilly - Yeah, I miss out on a lot of cblog conversations during the day because of the firewall.

That NJ game was one of the few that I missed this year. I gave my tickets away, I can't remember why or even who I gave them to.

The mousepad incident reminds me of the "mini baseball bat" incident that took place at a Pirates game a few years ago. More than a few, actually, they were still playing at Three Rivers. The team was just awful (surprise, surprise) and in a show of displeasure, fans hurled their mini baseball bats onto the field. I clearly remember Orlando Merced covering his head in right field. Thinking back on it, that actually may have been opening day that year. Good times with the Buccos.

Stilly said...

ROFL. Orlando Merced. Is he even still alive? I haven't heard that name in forever.

Fleury29 said...

Wow. That Panthers video was unreal. Of course Eddie Belfour was sitting at a bar.

Orlando Merced... he was my favorite Pirate, when I still cared about baseball.

I'm back from Pittsburgh. It was great to be there but it's nice to be home, in Kansas and be welcomed by... a tornado. Kansas weather is shit.

All Eastern Conference and Stanley Cup Final stuff is 50% off at PenStation.

They're not trading Malkin. The only way they'd do that is if they could sign everyone else that's becoming an UFA.

shawnawwwesome said...

That Panthers video doesn't make me want to buy a Beemer at all.

IwoCPO said...

"Notice Gary Roberts is no where to be found in that Florida Panthers video."

Don't think I wasn't looking.

"If you filled an Olympic sized swimming pool with gay and dove in head first, you would be less gay than after watching that video."

Classic.

uncleyorgi71 said...

Q: Do you know who really sucks at baseball, sports and life in general?

Hint: Though they may qualify, it's nobody from the Flyers roster.

A: Adam LaRoche

Did anybody by chance watch the game last night. Does anyone else want to slit their wrist due to the fact that LaDouche is making $5 million this season and McClouth is only making $425,000? It's appalling that this is what I have to be entertained with in the offseason. Gary (God), when is hockey season going to start again? I need a real sport in my life right now. At least the awards show is tonight.

Docciavelli said...

I'd like to know what those chicks told Alex Auld to make him laugh.

Hey, did you know Todd Bertuzzi's playing Elton John covers in the lounge?

"Sure, and my cat just punched Steve Moore from behind."

Mr. Plank said...

Panthers video = Golden

I'm surprised they didn't pick Keanu Reeves up at the deadline to shoot that video.

megz590 said...

i nearly just threw up my breakfast watching Chris Osgood and Lidstrom singing "WE'RE BRINGING STANLEY BACK" on jay leno. if our boys ever did that i would disown them. oh wait they wouldnt.. they're not gay.

dying alive said...

Adam Laroche reminds me of Bert, as in Bert & Ernie.

Judge for yourself.

I don't mind baseball, but after watching hockey for months on end I nearly fell asleep at the game I went to last week. The pace is so much sloooower. The fact that it was 100 degrees and the sun was brutal didn't help either. In the famous words of King Ad Rock, "the sun was beatin' down on my baseball hat, the air was gettin' hot, my beer was gettin' flat."

Jasper said...

go letang! imo such an amazing talent!
ruutu's shootouts were actually hilarious somehow
I really liked sid's shootout against carolina though
It's nice to see a video like that

Max Power said...

@ M. Vanderlasser

Good looking out.

Breakdownblog:

Panthers = So gay Richard Simmons called them fags

Chad Herman = Professional ball taster with a thesaurus who will ultimately end up on dateline

Smoking ban = Nazi bullshit brought on by that fat fucking piggy Ed Rendell whom I might add is worse that Hitler Osama

Fanny Packs = still not cool

Tornados = ruined cook out

Birds = bad for sky divers

Turkey = What pooped on my car this morning while maintaining eye contact

Dan said...

that panthers video was so good, i thought it was directed by michael bay for a minutes cause of all the effects. did anyone else get chills from the cat eyes?

Dan said...

actually max powers, that smoking ban is weak. you can still smoke in bars. i want it all gone. it's so nice to not get punched in the grundle by smoke when i drink.

Flyer Hater said...

Am I the only one watching highlights from nearly every Penguin game this past season on NHL.com?

/loserblog

Dan said...

i'm surprised no one made any skinhead jokes about that panthers video too. too many shaved heads.......

dying alive said...

Not to start a heated debate or anything, but as someone with mild breathing problems/allergies, the smoking ban is the greatest thing ever. I know, I know, US Constitution blah blah...but seriously. I like to leave my house from time to time, and when I do, I like to be able to breathe. I'm selfish that way.

Max Power said...

@ dan

As a smoker I must say I don't care if you want it banned. No offense, just the facts.

uncleyorgi71 said...

I agree with Max and think that the smoking ban is a bunch of Naziass bullshit. I'm not a smoker myself but just as I enjoy a beer in public, I know that people enjoy smoking in public. You mean to tell that out of all the problems that this state and country has to deal with, smoking in public is the number one priority? Ed Rendell is a piece of fucking shit.

Dan said...

@ max - none taken. i am a cigar smoker myself. i have no problem not being able to smoke in a bar. i'll go somewhere else. all the smoke you inhale at a bar just isn't healthy, and as da said, for someone with allergies it's a real bitch. luckily, you don't have to worry about it, but that law should win the jake wheatley award. its a joke.

brndlynn said...

@ flyer hater- i downloaded a couple of the games from the season and i've been watching game 5 of the scf all morning. good times.

Max Power said...

If a place wants to be smoke free it should be the owners responsibility to make it so. According to this retched infringement pubs that I go to and occasionally grab some grub I can no longer smoke in! I'm an American goddamnit! I should be able to smoke anywhere I want, all my gas should be free and clothing should be optional!

Flyer Hater said...

Dying Alive wrote:

"I know, I know, US Constitution blah blah"

WOW

Yeah, who cares about that stupid document anyway. We've already destroyed it enough anyway, might as well go the distance huh!

Free Candy Man (formerly nathan) said...

To steal a line from Lewis Black, that Panthers video had a gayocity that was beyond gayness.

It's weird, being from Virginia where tobacco's still king (put it this way, you can still buy a pack of smokes for under $2.50 here), going into bars in Connecticut when I'm visiting the in-laws. The lack of smoke due to the smoking ban there is almost disconcerting, but it's nice to be able to breathe. It's really not that hard to just step outside to light up. Of course, the General Assembly here won't make not wearing your seatbelt a primary offense, so I think we're still decades away from a successful indoor smoking ban.

Dan said...

i had typed a long rebuttle. not sure where it went but i'll try it again.

the thing is when new york passed it heart disease dipped immensely in the state. i know i enjoyed it in dc after watching a) the pens beat the caps and b) some kid get his ass kicked on the steps of the national portrait gallery. do not mess with a group of 500 pittsburgh fans. i personally have had 2 too many sinus infections lately (when i get them, i don't sleep and am in a lot of pain). the smoke does not help any of that sick or not. i like the idea of bar owners deciding. i'd have no issue with that at all. everyone wins.

please resign captain pittsburgh.

Stilly said...

Not to be a jobber, but...

I know, I know, US Constitution blah blah...but seriously

Let me start off by saying, that I don't smoke, and I like the ban, because now I don't have to take a quiz everytime I go to a restaurant.

That said, I think it's funny when people brush aside the constituion like it's irrelevent when someone mentions it. It's the document that defines what are nation is about and ensures your freedom. If something is listed in the constituion.. it's a big deal.

Smoking, is not a right guaranteed (notice the usage guaranteed, not granted) by the constitution. Sorry smokers, but the constituion does not say anything about an inalienable right to smoke.

If someone argues that it's their constitutional right to smoke, punch them in the face, and then tell them to retake 10th grade civics.

JYo said...

I'm not a smoker myself but just as I enjoy a beer in public, I know that people enjoy smoking in public.

Let me know when beer drinkers start pissing out their beer on the other patrons and I'll support a beer ban too! (J/K, although I also do like the ban since I also have asthma/allergies.) One of the funniest takes I have heard on it is funny because its basically true. Who is concerned with their health in a bar? In that regard, the ban on smoking in restaurants, etc. but allowing it in a bar makes perfect sense. Still, being selfish, I'd like it banned in bars too.

Yeah, who cares about that stupid document anyway. We've already destroyed it enough anyway, might as well go the distance huh!

I've also heard funny lines about this too, which are again funny because they are mostly true. When people are talking about other countries drafting their own constitution, the reply is "Why don't they just take ours, we aren't using it!"

Stilly said...

"what our nation is about"

I'll go ahead and sign up for third grade usage and grammar.

Stilly said...
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Sweetcheesus! said...

dropping in havnt posted in here in quite awhile. just doing my normal browsing and i stumbled upon this.

http://webleedteal.blogspot.com/

scroll down to the bloggie awards. hacksaw makes an appearance. nice to catch up with you guys, have we heard anything more about that picnic someone was trying to organize or have i already missed that?

Raybin said...

I'm totally opposed to a blanket smoking ban.

I'm totally for letting indvidual bar and restaurant owners decide. Let people patronize accordingly.

Even offer tax incentives for those institutions that are entirely non-smoking, I don't care.

But this blanket ban is appalling.

It's also a cheap way to score political points. This running around pointing the fingers at smokers is a way for lawmakers to pretend they're actually doing something while dodging the tough, big problems

Stilly said...

We're getting dangerously close to divisivepoliticalblog here.

Let's talk about something we all can agree on.


Chad Herman is a dick. Discuss.

Raybin said...

@jyo

Who is concerned with their health in a bar?

I've said the same thing.

"I'm going to a bar tonight to start down the path to alcoholism and cirrhosis and hook up with random people who may or may not give me an STD, but ZOMG! SMOKE! THAT'S NOT HEALTHY!!"

(Yes, I realize that's absurd. I'm trying to be funny. laugh, dammit!)

The whole Constitutional argument bothers me though, in that it's pretty stupid. No, you don't have a Constitutional right to smoke. maybe the Ninth/Tenth amendments. But then again, the Tenth also reserves rights to the states, which presumably includes the right to enact smoking bans.

Max Power said...

@ stilly

Life liberty and the persuit of happiness. Smoking makes me happy. Fair enough?

Dan said...

raybin - you hit the nail on the head. i like the tax break idea as well.

the constitution argument is bogus kiddies. sorry but that's not what it was about. it's a health issue. and i know people will say "well, you're drinking." well, drinking in moderation is actually proven to be healthy.

Victor Raison said...

@ stilly

The argument isn't about people's rights to smoke. The problem with the ban is that they aren't letting the private owners of the bars and restaurants decide what is and is not allowed to go on in their own damn establishment.

Simply put, if you don't want to breathe secondhand smoke, don't friggin' go to the place where there is secondhand smoke present. You don't have the right not to breathe smoke in a private establishment, it's not like a courthouse where sometimes you have to be there.

For the record, I'm non-smoker who thinks the ban is BS, along with the seatbelt law and motorcycle helmet discussions.

dying alive said...

Dying Alive wrote:

"I know, I know, US Constitution blah blah"

WOW

Yeah, who cares about that stupid document anyway. We've already destroyed it enough anyway, might as well go the distance huh!


Oh please. That was not my intention. I just didn't want to get into the same old debate.

I think you all misunderstood my intention. As a history major and a total history nerd, I can assure you that I don't take the Constitution lightly. I didn't think that I'd need to explain myself, but apparently I do.

Stoosh said...

With all due respect to everyone, I think when Dying Alive said...

I know, I know, US Constitution blah blah...

it sounded to me like she was actually dismissing the notion Stilly put forth that the Constitution doesn't guarantee the right to smoke as opposed to dismissing the Constitution itself.

Big difference between the two.

Stoosh said...

I got through about three pages of that thread on LGP.com before I had enough.

Stopped reading and threw in my two cents on Malkinblog. Here's what I posted there. Just wanted to share...

Even with the cap, I think it's still going to be possible to keep two world-class players like Crosby and Malkin AND still have room for Fleury AND probably Staal.

In order for this to happen, the team HAS to continue to do two things:

1. make smart investments with veterans via free agency or trade. Gonchar even at $5M is a steal. Sykora at $2.5M is a steal. Gill is a steal given how he fit into this system. These are the players that occassionally have to be rotated in and out of the system and filled with prospects or better value picks via free agency or trade.

2. ABSOLUTLEY must continue to draft well, develop well, and continue to get solid contributions at this level from younger and/or cheaper role players. I'm talking about guys like Talbot, Kennedy, Letang, Scuderi, Dupuis, Hall, Taffe...those are all guys whose cap hits this past year fell well below $1 million each. These are the players that help offset the hits that the more expensive players take on the cap.

Down the road, these could be guys like Caputi, Goligoski, Bortuzzo, etc.

As long as the Pens continue to do this, they should have a much easier time getting the economics to work.

Crosby and Malkin provide something for this team that very few other NHL teams have. That's why I think the Pens are much smarter if they keep those two together and build around them as opposed to trading Malkin for a handful of players who will put them in the same situation just a couple of years down the road again, anyway.

Dan said...

@ max - life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness was the declaration of independence.

anyone see what milbury said about tiger woods?

Flyer Hater said...

Smoking is not a right guaranteed in the constitution but the rights to privacy and freedom of expression are. Once the government starts telling us what we can put into our bodies and where we can do it, the slippery slope just gets steeper. Why not then tell us what we can wear, support, or protest? Why not then limit what books someone can write or what newspapers someone could produce. The government should set no guidelines to how an individual lives their daily lives.

dying alive said...

Who is concerned with their health in a bar?

Me? I don't go to bars to get incredibly wasted and I haven't done so since college. When I go to a bar, it's to meet up with friends after work or something and maybe have one or two drinks. I'm also frequently the designated driver, and you don't get much more concerned with health than that.

dying alive said...

it sounded to me like she was actually dismissing the notion Stilly put forth that the Constitution doesn't guarantee the right to smoke as opposed to dismissing the Constitution itself.

Big difference between the two.


Thank you, Stoosh, for getting my intention.

Dr. Turkleton said...

dying alive said:
Adam Laroche reminds me of Bert, as in Bert & Ernie.

+1

not only does he have a 'I don't give a flying fuck' look all the time, but he reminds me of this whenever I see him [for some strange reason]

The U.S. Open has started...

this just in....

Tiger is still a dick.



The next time I got to my fav 'establishment' to grab a bite or bend my elbow, I wish they would just inject me with cancer instead of this long, convoluted, drawn-out process of getting it from 2nd hand smoke...

smoking doesn't kill people....

wait.

YES IT DOES! [even those who DON'T smoke!]

[Hossa 18:8]

Max Power said...

The ban is the result off buttf'in imports. People who move out of NYC and live in Scranton and Filthadelphia. Also the west coast fairies that move here to work. They can't believe that people still smoke in public here. F'in softy c u next tuesday son.
Sorry I'm a very angry man today.

Raybin said...

@stilly

You're right.

Let's make a list of the Top Ten things everyone can agree on:

1. Puppies are cute

2. Ice cream is delicious

3. Chad Herman is a dick.

4. Tom Renney is a whiner

5. Evgeni Nabokov is a beast.

6. Mario > Wayne

7. The world would have been better if Sean Avery had been shot into a condom.

8. Malkin will not be traded.

9. Pierre Magurie is a douchebag

10. Daniel Alfredsson is a homo.

Max Power said...

@ dan

That is true.

Me = Mentally deficient

JYo said...

re: being an away fan in Boston

When I lived there, I had zero trouble with anyone in Boston. I wore my Lemieux jersey on the T and in the nosebleed seats and had absolutely no trouble. Maybe part of that was because I was there during the Pens dark ages (2001-2006), but I expected harsher treatment.

As for taking the T, the end of the Green line is only a few stops away at Lechmere, and the end of the red line at Alewife has a gigantic parking garage. Both would be much cheaper and easier than driving to the Fleet Center (it'll never be the garden, thats just stupid. It would be like building a new baseball stadium there and calling it Fenway Park.) I believe both stations are in Cambridge if you are looking for addresses. Another option would be parking at the end of the green D line at Riverside (in Newton), which is probably the easiest one to drive to from out of town, but it is also a pretty long T ride (likely over an hour to the arena.)

Dan said...

@ stoosh - i think # 2 is the key to it. the draft and the role players. don't overpay for them. there are hundreds alike out there, and i know, some fit some systems better than others, but it's saving the 500k to 1 mil each on them that makes up being able to sign these guys.

uncleyorgi71 said...

Given the choice between Chad Herman and a seasick crocodile, I'd take the seasick crocodile.

Chad Herman is a dick.

Flyer Hater said...

I can definitely back up Rabyin's claim to Pensblog Truth #5

Colin said...

Nabokov for Vezina.

Colin said...

Which save is better - flyer hater's link to Nabokov's save on Richards or Fleury's save on Mikael S. in game 5?

JYo said...

I didn't think that I'd need to explain myself, but

I can't tell you how many times I have thought that here, mostly when using heavy sarcasma that I thought would be clear. Meh, whatev.

Dr. Turkleton said...

Tigger drops 2 shots after the 1st hole...

waaa.

someone needs to go Gillooly on his other knee...

OR.

at least show him the Tonya & Jeff Wedding Night vid.

Fun Fact I just learned: Jeff Gilloolys new name: Jeff Stone.

brndlynn said...

@ colin: i have to go with nabokov's only because the puck was on the line when he caught it.

J.S. said...

I'm gonna jump into smokerblog against by better judgement.

I'm a nonsmoker who loves the places that have already gone smoke free. Two reasons: the a-hole who always decides to light up just as my food arrives would no longer be a problem. The other reason is that a-hole #2 (or possibly the same one) who not only holds their smoke away from them, but after they take a hit, they turn away to breathe it...usually in my direction.

Look, I'm 95% fine with dealing with smoke in a bar. As somebody else mentioned, I'm not going to a health club to hang out for a few hours. But because of those a-holes that I mentioned above, I wouldn't miss the smoke one bit. No offense anybody, but because of a few bad apples, I wouldn't mind one bit if the banhammer was dropped on smoking.

However, I don't like the way it's being done. Leave it up to the owner. If the owner wants to market to smokers, that's fine with me, or if he wants to market to us non-smokers, that's fine too. I just don't like that the state is choosing to make it "all or nothing".

xuscbausp said...

golfblog: Tiger misses another putt. HA-HAW

soccerblog: cmon croatia!

Colin said...

@ xuscbaup -

I love their blue jerseys. I am pulling for Croatia as well (not just because of the unis).

Dan said...

am i the only one who finds chad herman amusing?

J.S. said...

and the Panthers' video: Wow!

I'm not gonna say that video is ubergay, but a Christopher Lowell look-alike contest that is 100,000 deep might be less gay.

xuscbausp said...

germany will probably win 3-0. damn.
what a shot by tiger though. damn

Colin said...

I'd put money on that jerk Michael Ballack scoring today.

Flyer Hater said...

Colin, Nabokov's save was in OT and if he doesn't make it, the Sharks season ends. Nabby's was better.

Victor Raison said...

Where is Tanya Harding when you need her?

Dan said...

oh snap the onion is at it again!

Free Candy Man (formerly nathan) said...

I do the same "drive to a subway station and take the train to the arena" routine when I go to Caps games. Costs about $4 to park in Springfield, VA, in the giant Metro garage there, as opposed to $20 or so close to the Verizon Center, plus I get the added bonus of not having to fight the traffic inside the Beltway (although traffic from the Stafford/Prince William County line to Springfield can suck just as hard, if not harder).

Free Candy Man (formerly nathan) said...

Heh, the mental image of Tiger curled up in a ball sobbing "Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?! Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?!" is beautiful. Someone see if Jeff Gilooly is out of prison yet.

Free Candy Man (formerly nathan) said...

Of course, who needs to go for the knee when Phil Mickleson can just smother Tiger in his man boobs?

Posting hat trick?

Rochelle said...

blog staff,

are there going to be any photoshops of the last series put up?

RaCHeLeYoS said...

"Listen, it's tradition for us to all kiss the Cup. But I'm not one of those hockey players who are always saying 'I'm gonna fuck that Stanley Cup,'" Osgood said.

"Things happen, but you and the Cup both want them to happen, and you go back to the hotel and ask it to watch Dirty Dancing, and eventually maybe you get into some up and over, or there's some up and down and underneath, or maybe—I'm not saying this happened, but you know—maybe there's more than one way to kiss the Cup."

LIAR.

Victor Raison said...
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Victor Raison said...

"Goodbye fried rice, Hello fried chicken!"

"For shizzle. I've always wanted to say that."

debrisslide said...

smokingbanblog - This doesn't really affect me at all, but what really did was when Eat'n Park went smoke free. I don't smoke, but it was like they took the most entertaining part of Friday/Saturday night and mercilessly slaughtered it. My friends and I always sat in the smoking section at Eat'n Park even though we don't smoke just to sit with the crazy people--for some reason, smokers at Uniontown Eat'n Park at 2AM are always totally insane. We had names for all the regulars. The most famous was George the Talker: DON'T MAKE EYE CONTACT. Then there were 14-year-old mall goths smoking cloves. We knew the details of their love lives in-and-out. And oh goodness, the ghost hunters! They'd come in after chilling in a graveyard, usually around 3:30, and order nothing but Mountain Dew and smoke Newports hardcore.

I miss all of these people. The smoking thing in PA made them practically extinct. It was the end of an era. Now we can't even go to Denny's to catch the chain-smoking crazy crowd and that's depressing.

The Seeker said...

It is absolutely ridiculous and hypocritical for a State Legislature that says that a motorcyclist has the right to not wear a helmet to also say that someone doesn't have the right to smoke. The same applies to an adult wearing a seatbelt.

They are all assuming their own risk.

I just don't see how you can have laws that contradict one another.

Dan said...

@ the seeker - i don't understand your logic. these are two different subjects. motorcycle helmets effect those who ride bikes, which is not everyone. smoking in a sense literally effects everyone. if you want to go to a bar, you don't have a choice but to put up with it. they are far from contradictory.

Raybin said...

who not only holds their smoke away from them, but after they take a hit, they turn away to breathe it...usually in my direction.

As someone who used to be a heavy smoker and still enjoys the occassional cigarette, I must say this class of people piss me off because they ruin it for the rest of us.

I always went out of my way to ensure my smoke disturbed the least amount of people possible. I'd stand far off to the side of a group, never smoke if someone was walking behind me, try to blow the smoke straight up in the air at a restaurant or bar....but these selfish assholes have to disturb other people which causes other people to infer that I'm an asshole just because I have a cigarette in my hand.

The Seeker said...

Cblog Heads-Up

Friday (6-13-08) at 11:00 PM, FSN will air a program called "Spotlight: Building a Champion".

Drtails: Rob King, Jay Caufield, Paul Steigerwald and Dan Potash will recap the 2007-08 Penguins season in this one hour program.

xuscbausp said...

GOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLL!!!

1-0 Croatia. Upsetblog?

xuscbausp said...

germany=stunned

BlacknGold66 said...

That Panthers video just made me sick.


Smoking Ban....

When we passed it in Ohio about a year and a half ago everyone here that smokes(me = smoker) was up in arms. Outside of the whole civil rights debate, you actually get used to it.

All of my friends that smoke love the ban now because it doesn't take three weeks for the smell to come out of your clothes from a bar, and at a restaurant you can actually taste the food.

HOWEVAAAH... when it's balls cold outside you'll begin to dislike it again.

In the meantime, I'll continue to act like it's a treat to be able to smoke when I go to Pittsburgh.



@Victor Raison: HAHAHA! Great quote from The Chappelle Show!

Fleury29 said...

seeker, too bad Earl Mann isn't narrating.

Smokeblog=lameblog.

Who cares what your opinions are, keep them to yourself.

I'm here to talk about the Pittsburgh Penguins, car repair and why Pierre McGuire still has a job.

Raybin said...

Nabokovbeastblog:

Don't forget about Marty Turco's save a few minutes after Nabokov's in that game.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=spM4uUUW3-U

Stilly said...

@ the seeker

splittinghairsblog

The state legislature doesn't dole out rights. There is no law that says "People who drive motorcycles don't have to wear helmets" They simply removed a law that stated they must.

Laws are created to prohibit some kind of activity. They are not put on the books to "allow" things.

I'm not going to complain about the smoking ban, since I could give a shit either way. I do like the fact that I'll never have to answer "smoking or non" at a restaurant again.

Honestly.. will it kill you to step outside and smoke?

Fleury29 said...

HRVATSKA! WOOOOOOOO!

debrisslide said...

I'm here to talk about the Pittsburgh Penguins, car repair and why Pierre McGuire still has a job.

Subtle Car Talk reference? Either way, great sentence.

Stilly said...

@fleury

Hahaha reminds me of a Johnny Cash song.

".. and if you have political convictions.. keep 'em to yourself..."

JYo said...

I think someone recently posted something about salaries being high again like before the lockout. This article says the average salaries have surpassed pre-lockout levels. Interestingly, "league revenues have also increased by close to $600 million since the lockout." I wonder if anyone considers the league to still be "struggling."

Apparently, the league is actually going to do something about goalie equipment now too.

Fleury29 said...

Breaking News: Earlier reports indicating a tornado had touched down in Kansas were incorrect.

It has been revealed this morning that Gary Roberts was driving through Kansas last night on his way home to Canada.

More to follow.

Dan said...

@ bng - is this bostonblog now? wihkehd bro!

The Seeker said...

@ dan

I said it's hypocritical in the sense that the government thinks it can protect us from ourselves....from something that is perfectly legal to do.

How is a seat belt law any different than a helmet law? I can understand children (and children DO have to wear helmets).

The evidence that 2nd hand smoke TRULY can cause cancer to a non-smoker is pretty flimsy and the research has been cherry-picked.

OBVIOUSLY if you pumped 2nd hand smoke into someone's lungs for 35 years straight, day and night, they might develop emphysema. But there are no studies that prove for certain that anyone who developed cancer derived it from 2nd hand smoke.

Fleury29 said...

Subtle Car Talk reference?

Of course.

Non Impediti Ratione Cogitationis

The Seeker said...

@ fleury29

Who cares what your opinions are, keep them to yourself.

Well, I actually don't care what anyone's opinions are concerning soccer or any number of off topic discussions that happen here.

But I don't tell anyone to shut up.

dying alive said...

the a-hole who always decides to light up just as my food arrives would no longer be a problem.

Ah yes, nothing like a little spaghetti with smoke sauce when you're dining out. Having your food taste like smoke while your eyes water and your nose runs is a singular dining experience that I recommend to everyone. And as a bonus for us non-smokers, we're usually more sensitive to/bothered by the smell, so it's a double whammy.

Here's how I look at it in terms of other "government protecting the citizens from themselves" issues. If you want to eat a double Whopper with cheese for dinner every night until your heart explodes, have at it. If you want to never wear your seat belt, I really couldn't care less. If you don't want to wear a helmet on a motorcycle, I think you're nuts, but it's your life. But when I'm minding my own business and you're causing me to have problems breathing (not to mention blowing hazardous carcinogens into the air), sorry, I start to take issue with it.

The Seeker said...

@ stilly

Yes, you are splitting hairs and playing semantics.

You knew what I meant.

...additionally, since there was a helmet law which was rescinded solely based on motorcyclists saying their rights were being infringed upon, in a sense, the new helmet law did indeed say they had the right to assume the risk themselves.

Dan said...

@ the seeker - true, you may never develop any disease/cancer from second hand smoke. it still greatly increases risk though. you are still exposed to it, not by choice either. you can't go to a bar without there being smoke. as for the seatbelt/helmet debate - the majority of transportation is cars, not motorcycles. seatbelts more often than naught do save lives (although i personally know of a case or two that it actually killed someone). i respect your argument, i don't see it as valid though. there's too much that contradicts it.

see what we have to talk about when there is no hockey?

BlacknGold66 said...

Well, I actually don't care what anyone's opinions are concerning soccer or any number of off topic discussions that happen here.

But I don't tell anyone to shut up.


Well put.

@Dan: Cuz of the "HOWEVAAH" ? Naw, that's just poking fun at that jobber Steven A. Smith. No Bostonblog for me my friend.

The Seeker said...

@ dying alive

But when I'm minding my own business and you're causing me to have problems breathing (not to mention blowing hazardous carcinogens into the air), sorry, I start to take issue with it.

I can appreciate that.

Of course smokers should be considerate of others.

That's why I always thought that having a smoking & non-smoking section was the right solution.

Is it not discrimination otherwise?

Dan said...

@ bng - hahaha sorry i try not to even think of him as being alive. i can carry on a more intelligent sports conversation with my sister. (you'd have to know her for that to make sense i suppose).

Sooska said...

@seeker- thanks for that heads up on the FSN show- I heard about the show but couldn't find a schedule any where.

@ dan- thank you for the Onion link! the last paragraph is gold.

smokingbanblog: IMO, as a reformed smoker, I am for it. I never had one job that permitted smoking inside the workplace. Outside varied and my present job permits smokers to step outside in any weather for 15 minutes per hour. Nonsmokers don't get the privilege. (that is because we are owned by Europeans who smoke like fiends.)


...and seeker, I used to smoke and quit when I was pregnant and never went back. After I quit I developed a severe allergic reaction to smoke. I get a bad sinus infection within 24 hours of exposure -every time. I just don't think anyone has the right to compromise my health without my permission and by the mechanism of their own bad habit. My permission is not automatically granted because I step outside my house, and especially when I suffered to regain my health by quitting.

Bars and restaraunts could be handled with special licensing for those who don't care. I care and would choose accordingly. but do we need more costly bureaucracy to privilege those with bad habits?

I agree on the hypocrisy but that is irrelevant really. This controversy is why people need to get out and vote.
That's all - my opinion.

The Seeker said...

@ dan

The actual NUMBERS don't matter at all.

Just because there are more cars than motorcycles doesn't seem to change the argument that a person has the right to assume the risk if they choose to.

Both laws concern motor vehicles and safety issues. I would venture to say that riding a motorcycle without a helmet is FAR MORE dangerous than riding in your car without a seatbelt. Your chances of surviving an accident without a seatbelt on in a car have to be greater than crashing a motorcycle and surviving without a helmet on.

I just don't see how those two laws don't contradict each other.

fleuryous said...

The Panthers video still has me...flabbergasted, for lack of an even better word...because there is no better word. Deal with it.

And awesome compilation, Eric P.--those goals were phenom. There's a reason he's "Le Game."

Finally,
I was told that if I have nothing nice to say, I shouldn't say it at all, so...
no comment on the Jay Leno video.
...except that it made me hate life/NBC a little more.

Take care, everyone.

Dan said...

@ the seeker - i meant to post i think i know what you are trying to say. overall, the chances of surviving a motorcycle accident are low. all around they are much more dangerous. comparing the two laws are like comparing a puck to a calendar, they are two completely different things i.m.o. but i think i know what you are trying to say. it comes down to smoking affects everyone thats around it, and it usually isn't by choice they are around it. let there be smoking and non smoking bars. problem solved.

sooska - no problemo. gotta spread the wealth.

The Seeker said...

@ sooska

I just don't think anyone has the right to compromise my health without my permission and by the mechanism of their own bad habit.

Well, drinking and driving is illegal too, but drunk drivers are always on the roads possibly compromising your health. Both smoking and drinking at a certain age is perfectly legal.

I don't have a problem with having smoking sections, etc. Or allowing a bar or restaurant to CHOOSE. It's just that I have a problem with a State-wide ban being FORCED on owners.

Flyer Hater said...

Fleury 29 wrote:

"Smokeblog=lameblog.

Who cares what your opinions are, keep them to yourself.


FlyerHater says know your role and shut your mouth. The rest of his here apologize for having a discussion in the OFFSEASON that doesn't include the Pensblog Picnic (gay) or Euro 2008. If you don't like the discussion, don't participate in it.

DICK.

miah said...

In the Panthers video, I love how the last guy just gets up and leaves his chick hangin'. "Sorry babe, I gotta be w/ my bros"

Another exclamation mark on the gayest statement to ever come out of Pantherland.

The Seeker said...

@ dan

comparing the two laws are like comparing a puck to a calendar, they are two completely different things i.m.o

I really don't understand how they are different at all???

I can ride my motorcycles legally with the freedom to choose if I want to assume the risk of having my head pulverized...which is almost a given. Yet I can't legally jump into my car and not have the freedom to choose to buckle-up and assume the lesser risk of injury just because it's a car?

dying alive said...

That's why I always thought that having a smoking & non-smoking section was the right solution.

Maybe in theory, but in practice, "smoking" sections are a joke. They're usually right next to the non-smoking section with no means of dividing the two whatsoever, and it's impossible to contain the smoke (and what's inside the smoke) to one area.

Colin said...

I don't know about everyone else, but I really enjoy coming here for the hockey talk and also the other conversations that come up.

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Victor Raison said...

@seeker

Agreed, it should be the owners choice. You can bet your ass that if all of a sudden, health concious people stopped going there and they started losing money, it would be a smoke-free establishment in two minutes flat.

That said, again, as much as there is no "Right to smoke" there is no "Right to go to a privately owned establishment without smoke." It is upon yourself to not patronize a smoking establishment if you don't like smoke.

Victor Raison said...

Besides, the technology in air filtration is getting pretty good. There are a few places around where I live that I honestly thought were non-smoking until I asked.

Fleury29 said...

But I don't tell anyone to shut up.
-The Seeker

Wow. I never said, "shut up," I simply don't want this to become "turn on each other blog" which apparently it already has.

Arguments about smoking bans, religion, etc are stupid and divisive and people come away with hurt feelings. If you want C-Blog to be like some threads at LGP with Pens fans attacking Pens fans, that's fine.

If you don't like the discussion, don't participate in it.

DICK.

-Flyer Hater

I wasn't participating in it.

RENDELL.

BlacknGold66 said...

If you think the smoke ban is bad, whether or not you smoke...

The Cleveland Clinic now WILL NOT hire anyone who is a smoker.

They do blood work on you to make sure you aren't a smoker.

In fact, if you already work for the company (the biggest business in Cleveland and one of the largest hospitals in the nation) then you have to quit immediately or risk losing your job.

Now THAT is bullshit.

The Seeker said...

@ dying alive

Then legislate that smoking and non-smoking sections MUST meet certain requirements that actually do work.

I know of a restaurant/lounge which has both and it seems to work very well. The smoking section has two ceiling mounted air filtration machines.

victor raison has the right idea...let the marketplace dictate!

I know of a Ruby Tuesdays in Williampsort where the management took it upon themselves to voluntarily become a smoke-free establishment. No one uses the bar anymore and the ban admittedly hurt their business badly.

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TheFandangler said...

@Raybin... according to you it's self applied. I've never liked Hasek and I will never think highly of him. It's an opinion... I figured this is the place to express it.

Dan said...

@ seeker - referring to smoking and helmet law. seatbelt law, whatev. the choice effects you ultimately.

@ fleury - this is actually a constructive debate.

would anyone else laugh hysterically if tiger woods ever got bitten by a gator and became chubs in happy gilmore?

Fleury29 said...

@Dan, perhaps.

I've said my piece and I'm done commenting on it. I have more important things to worry about, like who the Pens are going to sign in the off season.

Fleury29 said...

@Dan again.

Yes. Tiger Woods=joke.

Max Power said...

@ fleury

You called someone the "R" word. Shame on you. That's worse than a racial slur.

Dan said...

@ fleury - if only we had any control over that, i'd be more worried about it. out of our hands though. no use saying the same thing 100000x times about it.

pierre mcguire works for the lollipop guild.

The Seeker said...

@ fleury29

Gee..I apologize if you didn't actually SAY the EXACT words "shut up" .....and instead chose to thinly veil it by saying "Who cares what your opinions are, keep them to yourself".

I obviously misunderstood what you meant by that. Right?

I didn't even start this topic of discussion, but you chose to single me out.

It's actually just OPINIONS that you are opposed to here. I'll try not to voice mine from now on.

The Seeker said...

@ fandangler

t's an opinion... I figured this is the place to express it.

Well, you were wrong. No opinions...it's the law here.

Raybin said...

Looks like we need a supplement to my last list...

5 More Universal Truths

11. Most NHL players would rather play on the hockey team in Hell (coach and GM: Mike Milbury) than play for the Florida Panthers.

12. The Washington Capitals fanbase still has not gotten over the 3-1 comeback series.

13. Dion Phaneuf is a fucking monster.

14. Doug Drabek's mustache was epic.

15. An ECHL hockey ticket is the best 18 bucks you'll ever spend.

Flyer Hater said...

@ The Seeker

We should be instead talking about trading Malkin in a deal that Kevin Lowe and Don Waddell wouldn't even make. That's way more constructive and worthy of our time.

Fleury29=Joke

Victor Raison said...

Speaking of political debates, tomorrow's topic should be: Should we or should we not give the Southeast corner of Pennsylvania to New Jersey.

Fleury29 said...

@The Seeker

Sigh.

My intention was not "shut up," as you put it. My intention was just to remind people that we're all Penguins fans and the conversation seemed to be going in the direction of "Pens vs Pens"

Reflecting, I can admit I probably could have used a different phrase that would have been more polite but whatev. This is Politeblog about as much as it is local Politicsblog.

I didn't "single you out" as much as respond to what you said to me.

I never intended to be an overbearing dick and if that's how I came off, I apologize.

Max Power said...

@ victor

I second that motion

RaCHeLeYoS said...

tiger woods is on the prowl....

BlacknGold66 said...

I'll take smoking debate any day... I can't handle freeagencyblog... makes my brain hurt.

Besides, my hands are tied in discussion of it thanks to FlyerHater.

Damn you FH! Always jobbing!

::shakes fist again::

@Vicor R.: THAT sir, was funny. (I say yes!)

Flyer Hater said...

@Fleury 29,

so Pens fans can't have disagreements among each other?

Dan said...

@ raybin - amendment to # 14 - his mullet as well, if i remember right. he should've been a hockey player. i wonder if there is any sort of correlation between the baseball and hockey mullet. this is something federal funding should be provided for.

Flyer Hater said...

BNG 66, just doing my job.

WOOOOOOO

dying alive said...

If you think the smoke ban is bad, whether or not you smoke...

The Cleveland Clinic now WILL NOT hire anyone who is a smoker.


OK, I will play devil's advocate here.

If you needed to see a nutritionist, you probably wouldn't trust someone who was severely overweight to tell you how to eat. Why would you trust someone who engages in a habit that they know is extremely unhealthy to tell you how to take care of yourself?

I'm not necessarily saying that I agree with it, but I suppose they have a logic behind it.

Max Power said...

Anybody who works in downtown:

You need to check out Mr. Soup on Forbes Ave near Smithfield accross from Macy's. The place is absolutely awsome.

Beav said...

smokingbanblog:

Maybe I'm bordering on too close to libertarianism but I don't believe the government should have the power to force business owners to choose how to run their business. Doesn't matter if it's about smoking. Any time the government forces anything upon the people, it reeks of bullshit to me.

Fleury29 said...

so Pens fans can't have disagreements among each other?

Of course they can. It just seemed to me that the "disagreement" was going in a non-constructive direction but whatever.

I don't care. Discuss smoking all you want. This has drug on a lot longer than it needed to.

I said something. People took offense, I apologized it should be over.

Let it go for Gary's sake.

The Seeker said...

Personally - and this is the last thing I'll say on the topic....

I don't see where voicing our opinions over a proposed State Law is divisive or would lead to hurt feelings.

If someone doesn't agree with my POV, then so be it.

I don't get mad or have hurt feelings over that topic any more than I would if we were debating if Malone would be more important to resign than Hossa.

I don't come here expecting everyone to agree on every single topic of discussion.

If it's Kum-Ba-Ya 24/7/365 you want, you'll only find that in utopia.

Colin said...

@ raybin -

16. Gary Roberts > Bill Brasky

Beav said...

@ seeker

Do we have to become Communists to find utopia? Better resign Gonchar for his experience

dying alive said...

Bill Brasky is a son of a bitch.

BlacknGold66 said...

@DA: Being able to teach the knowledge one has as opposed to whether or not they follow their own advice isn't exactly the same as telling employees they can lose their job if they continue to smoke.

It's about rights.

Flyer Hater said...

Dying Alive, that's just dumb logic. Just because someone doesn't practice good nutrition habits, doesn't mean that they're not experts in the field. For example the best hitting coach ever had an average of like .220, doesn't mean he didn't know how to teach the art.

Victor Raison said...

Speaking of Kum-By-Ya; forget Pensblog Picnic. What about Pensblog sleepaway camp!

JYo said...

But there are no studies that prove for certain that anyone who developed cancer derived it from 2nd hand smoke.

Speaking as a scientist, I can say that there are basically no studies about anything in this world that proves anything for certain. However, there is an enormous amount of evidence supporting the idea that second hand smoke does indeed cause detrimental health effects including cancer. It may not be "certain", but no reasonable doctor or scientist would argue against it.


Speaking of political debates, tomorrow's topic should be: Should we or should we not give the Southeast corner of Pennsylvania to New Jersey.

Two questions:

1. How much do we have to pay them to take it?

2. Does it count against the Pens cap thereby making it more difficult to sign any FAs?

Wait, I don't care what the answers are, just pay them and get it done.

Flyer Hater said...

@Fleury 29, we're all big boys and girls here. I think we can handle ourselves in a debate. We don't need you as caretaker to make sure that no one gets their feelings hurt.

Sooska said...

@jyo - FREE SE PA! it's free and we can set it free. do it.

@seeker- I agree - discussion os good. It is always good to hear opposing viewpoints -you might learn something (not YOU, seeker**, but the collective proverbial you.). Was anyone hurt or offended here? I didn't think so but maybe..I guess you can misconstrue something when you can't see a person's face *smiles pleasantly* or hear his/her voice.

**and that is not to say you can't learn something new OR that you don't want to learn something new, or even that you NEED to learn something....;)

JYo said...

I'm not necessarily saying that I agree with it, but I suppose they have a logic behind it.

Even further than logic alone, isn't it their "right" to hire who they want? If bar owners should have the right to choose if they allow smoking or not, shouldn't another business be allowed to choose if they hire smokers or not?

Like Beav said: I don't believe the government should have the power to force business owners to choose how to run their business.

That should apply to the big ones if its going to apply to the little bars too.

Sooska said...

OMG I see I typed "os good" instead of "is good"

my abject apologies cblog! *genuflects*

Flyer Hater said...

@Sooska, so used to typing Osgood. It happens.

JYo said...

FREE SE PA! it's free and we can set it free. do it.

I would personally contribute as much as I could in any way possible if this could be made into reality!

Was anyone hurt or offended here?

I think I blew out an ACL.

M. Vanderlasser said...

This doesn't have anything to do with smoking, Tiger Woods, free agency, Florida Panthers videos, or picnics, but I ate a whole cannister of BBQ flavored Pringles yesterday in < 30 minutes and I wasn't even trying to eat them fast. One thing just led to another.

Flyer Hater said...

M. Vanderlasser, on somedays the only reason I get out of bed in the morning is because of BBQ Pringles.

M. Vanderlasser said...

Yep, we've got pretty sweet lives, that's for sure.

How many do you eat at a time? I'm usually in the 2-4 chips per mouthful range.

Flyer Hater said...

2-4?

You=soff

At least 6 at a time

JYo said...

This doesn't have anything to do with smoking, Tiger Woods, free agency, Florida Panthers videos, or picnics,

Why are you even here then? What a mistake!

Beav said...

While I think that the Cleveland Clinic is being a touch overzealous by not hiring any smokers, that is their right as a private business. If they do not want employees who smoke, that is completely within their parameters. I think both hospitals in Erie will not allow their employees to smoke while they are at the hospital (have to change their scrubs if they smell like smoke or something)

The Seeker said...

@ dying alive

Why would you trust someone who engages in a habit that they know is extremely unhealthy to tell you how to take care of yourself?

LOL....I have occasion to work sometimes in hospitals. I was taken aback one day when I had to go inside the doctor's lounge and find the place so thick with smoke that you could cut it with a knife.

BlacknGold66 said...

@Jyo: Yes, businesses should have a right to whom they hire.

Why not also discriminate against people who do other things?

Healthy habits or not it's facist.

I personally wouldn't hire anyone that eats peas.

Get my point?

@Beav: CCF is a non-smoking campus.

Dan said...

i happened to highly enjoy this debate. thank you all, it made my friday (i know it's thursday, i'm on 4 day weeks right now......).

the only pringles are the cheese ones, and you have to lick the cheese off before eating them.

The Seeker said...

However, there is an enormous amount of evidence supporting the idea that second hand smoke does indeed cause detrimental health effects including cancer. It may not be "certain", but no reasonable doctor or scientist would argue against it.

Actually, if you Google the topic, you'll find there are studies that point to different opinions on the topic (2nd hand smoke) as well as health professionals (and a judge or two) that say that government studies are biased and/or based on bad science.

Max Power said...

@ jyo

in re 1.)

I don't think that we would have to pay them anything. The rest of the country sends N.J.

Max Power said...

Continuance

The rest of the country send N.J. their shit/garbage for free!

BlacknGold66 said...

The biggest problem I have with CCF not hiring people who smoke is that current employees who smoke can lose their jobs.

That's going straight in to their personal lives and telling them how to live it.

M. Vanderlasser said...

Tiger Woods, Chad Herman, the Florida Panthers, and that hamburger lady from Texas like to smoke and eat cheese Pringles.

Max Power said...

Has anyone ever seen the movie, "Thank You for Smoking?"

The Seeker said...

RE: hiringdiscriminationblog

Why not also discriminate against people who do other things?

Healthy habits or not it's facist.


ABSOLUTELY!

Especially when said "private business" accept government research grants and other public funds.

Private colleges were forced to follow certain acceptance guidelines if they accepted a single penny of government monies.

So when a hospital refuses to hire anyone (or fires someone) who doesn't meet a certain perceived perfect weight for their build, that wouldn't be discrimination also?

You can't discriminate against someone, or even ASK about their sexual orientation, even though there are certain sexual orientations that have a higher chance of contracting AIDS too.

BlacknGold66 said...

"I bet the guy who invented Pringles originally planned on making tennis balls.

He ordered the matierials, but by accident he got potatoes...

...so he was like 'Screw it! Let's make potato chips..'"

Dan said...

cheese pringles > any other pringles

@ max - yes, i have.

ugh is it october yet?

Katie said...

Being on the west coast, I'm a bit behind in the discussion since I have to read all of the comments before commenting myself. So here's my two cents.

IMO, pretty much anything related to the Florida Panthers is gay.

My sister's favorite all time Pirate is Orlando Merced. She met him when she was twelve, and they actually still exchange Christmas cards. Weird.

My other sister has a son named Tiger (real first name, not a nickname) because her husband loves Tiger Woods. My nephew is a huge Pens fans. After Woods' comments, my nephew sent an e-mail to all of his family and friends stating that from here on out, he would like to be called "James", his middle name.

smokingblog -- not going to go into the whole "should government be telling us how to live" debate, but just want to clear a couple of things up.

@max power -- "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" is from the Declaration of Independence. Sorry, you don't have any legal rights to any of those things. Jefferson did write it, but it was pretty much part of the big old FU to Great Britain. The Framers forgot to include those things in the Constitution. You could probably stretch it though and tie it into the penumbra of rights not explicit in the Constitution, but past attempts to do so soley based in federal court haven't been real successful with that being the only argument.

@flyer hater -- the right to privacy is not explicitly granted under the US Constitution. The US Supreme Court took a very long and twisted course in the Griswold v. Connecticut case (CT had outlawed the possession and use of contraceptives). This case is where the concept of implicit rights came full force. Another example is Roe v. Wade (not even going to go any further here).

Good news, though, for folks in Pennsylvania. The PA Constitution explicitly gives you the right to privacy that is even greater than that implied in the US Constitution. Another great right actually guaranteed by the PA Constitution is the right to mutiny and overthrow your government. Maybe the next time the state legislature does another idiotic thing, people might want to look more closely at that one.

Oh, also, on the seat belt thing, while it was originally pushed as a safety thing, it wasn't until the feds got involved and tied receipt of federal highway dollars to it that pretty much all states enacted it. The courts have said that the feds cannot enact driving laws, that is up to the states, but that they can condition receipt of federal money on a state enacting certain laws. That's why you have laws like the seat belt provisions, .08, no open containers in vehicles (with exceptions) and certain penalties for repeat DUI offenses. (In PA, seat belts are required of everyone under 18 regardless of where they sit. Over 18 and in the back seat, seat belt not required.)

Finally, I have no fear of cblog turning into LGP. My impressions of the cbloggers here is that while at times the debate may get heated, snarky and testy, cbloggers themselves rarely take it personally and recognize this is a forum for the expression of free speech (there's that Constitution thing again) and the exchange of ideas. Disagreement is part of healthy discourse. We're all adult (despite our protestations to the contrary) enough to admit when our emotions get the best of us, and from what I've seen, when we've misspoken or misstated something that may turn out to not be what we've stated. I know I've done it, and will likely do again sometime in the future.

Sorry for the length. Busy day in the office so probably won't be posting much. Have a nice day everyone.

Beav said...

@ max power

Absolutely phenomenal movie. Such a big fuck you to William H. Macy throughout

dying alive said...

Dying Alive, that's just dumb logic. Just because someone doesn't practice good nutrition habits, doesn't mean that they're not experts in the field. For example the best hitting coach ever had an average of like .220, doesn't mean he didn't know how to teach the art.

I don't think it's *dumb* to think that people are going to make assumptions based on someone's appearance or habits. That's the type of society we live in. A man who is 5'10" and 300 lbs. might be the best personal trainer in the world, but nobody is going to go to him. Why? Because they're going to assume based on his weight that he doesn't know what he's talking about, since he doesn't practice what he preaches.

People hire employees all the time based on habits and appearance, whether it's fair or legal or not.

M. Vanderlasser said...

katie, how do you feel about Pringles?

Max Power said...

Where the hell did you get cancer boy? He should be bald, pale, thin and helpless looking!

Max Power said...

flip

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